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Copper Plating and Etching Altoids Tins

Jake von Slatt — Sat, 01/20/2007 - 04:22

With this project I wanted to try a number of new things:

  • Magazine pages as cheap toner transfer media
  • Copper electroplating
  • Etching Altoid tins with a salt water solution

The copper plating met with mixed success, but the other two methods resulted in some nice pieces.

Note: blue vitriol and muriatic acid are archaic names for copper sulfate and hydrochloric acid.

Magazine pages for toner transfer:

While looking for information on transferring toner using a fuser assembly from an old laser printer I ran across several websites where people suggested using glossy magazine pages for transferring printed circuit board images to a copper substrate.  I thought I'd give this a try for etching Altoid tins, so I cut up a likely magazine.

Preparing the Altoids tins turned out to be harder then I predicted.  The paint stripper I use comes in a spray can and is sold as "Paint & Epoxy Remover." It's strong stuff.  If you get even a drop on your skin it hurts like hell and you need to flush the area with lots of water to make it stop.  Most paints just wrinkle up and fall off when I hit them with this stuff yet the paint on the Altoid tins required several minutes of scrubbing with steel wool while wearing nitrile gloves (latex gloves fall to pieces in seconds.)

cutting up Make: magazineAltoids tin and Scotchbright

Next we:

  • Print the image on a magazine page
  • Rough up the surface of the Altoids lid with Scotchbright
  • Clean the lid thoroughly with alcohol
  • Iron the image onto the lid

I cut a block of wood the size of the base to support the lid while I pressed down with the iron.

This is the Lady Ada Lovelace, a contemporary of Charles Babbage and a woman oft sited as the first computer programmer, she having written a series of notes comprising an instruction set for calculating Bernoulli numbers on Babbage's Analytical Engine.  You don't get more Steampunk then that!

altoids tin and lady adatoner mask on altoids tin

Once the transfer is ironed onto the tin you soak it in water and then carefully peel off the paper, layer by layer, leaving just the toner behind.  To get the last of the paper off just gently rub with your thumbs.

soak altoids tinpacking tape mask

I used the cut-out in the magazine page as a template for cutting a mask from packing tape, I wanted to only copper plate part of this tin's lid.

So far all of the toner transfer methods I've tried; Laser printing on Inkjet paper, Press-n-peel blue, and magazine pages, have worked just fine.  Press-n-peel is probably the easiest to peel off, but the hardest to iron on if there are large solid areas of toner.


Copper Plating Altoids Tins:

tape maskaltoids tin with tape mask

For my first attempt at copper plating I simply connected the lid to the negative side of a 1.5 volt power supply and dipped into the blue vitriol (copper sulfate) solution that I have been using for my brass etching experiments.  I used a length of copper tubing for my anode.

From the picture below, this appears to work.  Alas, what you see is just a coating of copper powder, nothing has actually stuck to the tin plate on the Altoids tin.

copper electroplating altoid tin

 

I speculated that perhaps my solution was contaminated so I did a little research (see Technical Links) and tried a solution with a different composition.  I filled a container with about a gallon of water and added  a table spoon of Muriatic acid (25% HCl) and a pinch of salt.  Since you can't plate copper out of the solution until there is copper in the solution I inserted a dummy cathode and run the cell with the 1.5 volt power supply for about 6 hours.

After this time the solution had a faint blue tinge and I replaced the dummy cathode with the tin.  Unfortunately, results were identical to the earlier attempt.

For my next attempt I connected the metallic barrel of a painters brush to the positive side of my power supply and the negative side to the Altoid tin.  I dipped the brush in the blue vitriol solution and "painted" it on the tin.I actually had some success with this.

However, the most successful technique turns out to be the simplest, simple apply a solution of blue vitriol with a cotton swab using a circular motion.  Q.E.D.

electroplating altoids tincopper plating altoids tin

You can vary the qualities of the surface by using different strokes to lay down the copper and you can polish the resulting plate on a buffing wheel with a touch of rouge.

plated tinpolished tin


Salt water etching Altoids Tins:

The next thing I wanted to try was etching the Altoids tins.  I printed and applied a Press-N-Peel blue mask to one of the tins and attached it to the positive side of a car battery.  A piece of copper pipe was attached to the negative side and both electrode and work piece were immersed in a gallon of water that had approximately 2 cups of salt dissolved in it.

salt water etching altoid tinsalt water etching bath

The salt water started to bubble furiously and a dark murky green-brown precipitate began to form.

high surrent etching steel

Foom!  "Ah! the bubbles are indeed hydrogen."  

After about 7 minutes I took the Altoid tin lid out, rinsed it and used paint stripper to remove the toner mask.Seven minutes was probably just a bit too long as you can see by the perforations in the upper right.

burning hydrogenetched altoids box

I then coated it with the blue vitriol (copper sulfate) solution using the cotton swab method and polished it with a buffing wheel and a bit of rouge.

polishing copper plated tin

In all I made half a dozen tins using slightly different methods.  Some of the early plating experiments actually turned out to be quite pretty once I sealed the powdery copper layer with a coat of lacquer.

half dozen tins


The finished results:

finished and copper plated tins

This one is a straight salt water etch with a bit of black paint to bring up the details and a finish lacquer coat.

etched kitchen scene

This is a salt etch with a layer of copper applied using the cotton swab method and blue vitriol solution.  It was then polished with a buffing wheel and a bit of rouge.  

etched factory

My first plating attempt was a failure but looked so interesting I put several coats of lacquer on it to fix the powdery copper bits in place.

copper mess

This Altoid tin was masked with an oval piece of packing tape and then lightly etched.  Next the mask was removed and a positive toner image was ironed on.  Finally the tin was plated in copper using the cotton swab method and the whole thing lacquered.

ada tin 1

The tin below is the big success of the batch.  It was a straight salt etch and had the blue vitriol solution carefully applied to certain areas with a cotton swab.  The etched area was cleaned up a bit with some 400 grit paper and the piece was lacquer sealed.

   

lady ada altoids tin

The Lady Ada Lovelace


 

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My first try at etching and plating.

Asphalt — Mon, 06/29/2009 - 16:26

ok I found some root kill and mixed up the BV. My power supply didnt have enough juice so I switched to my rechargable battery jumber box and it worked quite nicely. I havent found a reliable source for tins yet but I did find some button parts in the closet from a badge a minute set so I used those. here are links to the results.
the original
[IMG]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Hunter789/SANY0091-3.jpg[/IMG]
the results
[IMG]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Hunter789/SANY0089-2.jpg[/IMG]
and the side by side
[IMG]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Hunter789/SANY0092-2.jpg[/IMG]
now I just need to work on a more sophisticated resist method. for the H I covered the button in duct tape and used an exacto to cut out the letter.

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Etching

bowlerhatman — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 21:05

I've been experimenting with this technique a bit recently, and have found it very effective. Some of my results are displayed at http://frazer-makingstuffup.blogspot.com

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Argh!

Dave Nalle — Fri, 01/09/2009 - 10:32

We've had a hell of a time duplicating any of your results, though we did manage to destroy some Altoids tins and produce some cool sulphur crystals. As far as I can tell the ironing from printing on a magazine page just does not work and the transfer film is almost impossible to get hold of. I did get some pretty good results with the copper plating on a steel switch plate, but the results on the cheap metal of th altoids tins are very uneven.

Dave

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Further research has taught

Jake von Slatt — Fri, 01/09/2009 - 11:56

Further research has taught me that the flimsy coated paper used in the Sunday paper circulars works the best, you'll need to make a "sled" by folding over the top 3/4" of a sheet of printer paper to get the flimsy through the printer. 

Set the iron on high and place the transfer onto the tin with a couple of presses. Then use a popsicle stick to rub over every inch of the tin while applying het.  Do that continuously for a minute or two.

Printers are also a big variable so try a few different ones.

The tin plate on the Altoids tins seems to react with the copper sulphate to make a mess, try adding a little white vinegar or muriatic acid.  I just did some tins by alternating between a copper sulphate soaked q-tip and one with a muriatic acid solution and I was able to get a very nice patina.  Wear safety glasses when play with acid.

Buff VERY lightly with 000 steel wool to polish.

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Altoids tins and texture

sk4p — Fri, 09/19/2008 - 08:36

The annoyance with an altoids tin is the trademark is embossed in the lid rather than just painted on it. If one is still using the tin for Altoids, just making it Victorian, this technique is amazing. But do you, Sir, or any of your readers know of tins of a similar size and shape which lack the embossing but are otherwise appropriate for this treatment?

--Shawn

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Not all Altoids tins be

Jake von Slatt — Fri, 09/19/2008 - 09:38

Not all Altoids tins are embossed, but it can be hard to get the paint off.  These guys have unpainted flat top tins: http://www.specialtybottle.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=41

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Cotton Swab + Blue Vitriol?

ParallaxTZ — Tue, 07/29/2008 - 17:27

Did you use any electricity when you were using the cotton swab to paint on the blue vitriol? How did the copper adhere to the tin?

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No electricity, the copper

Jake von Slatt — Tue, 07/29/2008 - 17:56

No electricity, the copper plates out onto iron/steel without it.

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Copper plating Altoids Tins

rorschandt — Mon, 06/23/2008 - 21:46

Great bits of inspiration and information on your website, thanks!

One thing to try is sodium bisulfate solution, a "pickle" used by jewelers. I've used this method, sometimes accidentally (%$%#@&*) on silver, and brass. It may work on other metals, I haven't tried it.
To get copper into the solution, just soak some old chunks of copper pipe or scraps of copper, for a few hours, or better, for a few days. The solution will take on that blue tint.
Once the solution has copper molecules in it, you place whatever you want to plate in the solution, along with a piece of iron or steel. The steel causes the other bit of metal to evenly plate itself, usually in a matter of 10 minutes or so. The solution works best if warm, not boiling.

cheers,
r

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Some questions

Dr Wicked — Tue, 06/17/2008 - 18:38

I have managed to acquire most of the necessary ingredients and would really like to give this project a go but I have a few questions. When you coat the tins with copper sulfate using a cotton swab, do you then use the electroplating method to make the copper actually plate the surface of the tin? Or does it merely attain that color simply by applying the solution? Also, the project I want to do is a stainless-steel hip flask, do you think there would be a problem using stainless? I couldn't find root kill but I managed to find "Root Killer" by Roebic, it's crystals, not powder, but I'm hoping it will dissolve just the same. Thanks in advance for any answers you might be able to provide. Dr Wicked

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I just rubbed the solution on

Jake von Slatt — Tue, 06/17/2008 - 21:20

I just rubbed the solution on - however, I think that it will not work with stainless steel, but the only way to find out for sure is to try it.  The Root Kill I had came in the form of blue crystals too.

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Where can get or how do I make Blue Vitriol

Asphalt — Sat, 06/27/2009 - 15:45

Hi, I would love to try this out with my students. The etching is no problem but how do you make or where do you buy the blue vitriol solution? thanks.

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 The hardware store, it's

Jake von Slatt — Sun, 06/28/2009 - 12:17

 The hardware store, it's simply "Root Kill" (which is Copper Sulfate Pentahydrate) and water.
See: http://steampunkworkshop.com/electroetch.shtml

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Thanks, I looked and there is

Asphalt — Sun, 06/28/2009 - 18:03

Thanks, I looked and there is both liquid and solid varieties. so you just swab it on and polish? my students are going to love this. I finished my etching power supply earlier today. not steam punk, but maybe once I get goin I can make it look a bit nicer.
I saw from that link that the blue vit is what you use to electro etch brass plates. but its used to copper plate tin? would it both etch and plate tin at the same time?

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Copper plating

Subbacultcha — Fri, 05/02/2008 - 13:06

Nice work!

I am starting a project soon and I need some advice: Can you detail for me how to make a batch of blue vitriol? I intend on etching a cast aluminum enclosure for a guitar effects pedal, then "painting" it using a q tip and blue vitriol. I'm going to acid etch with PnP blue, then plate. The only step I'm unsure of is the creation of the blue vitriol...

Any pointers?

-Subbacultcha

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